If I were a Pseudo-Salafi…..
….I would have no choice but to believe that Najd is not in Iraq but in fact in Saudi Arabia. Using their simplistic methodology of “only” Quran & Sunnah, this post will show how relying solely on hadith from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, one has no choice but to accept that Najd is not in Iraq.
First of all, for those who are unaware of the subject matter , I would like to give you a little background as to why we should even bother debating this issue. The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:
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حدثنا محمد بن المثنى قال حدثنا حسين بن الحسن قال حدثنا بن عون عن نافع عن بن عمر قال : اللهم بارك لنا في شامنا وفي يمننا قال قالوا وفي نجدنا قال قال اللهم بارك لنا في شامنا وفي يمننا قال قالوا وفي نجدنا قال قال هناك الزلازل والفتن وبها يطلع قرن الشيطان
Volume 2, Book 17, Number 147: Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
(The Prophet) said, “O Allah 
! Bless our Sham and our Yemen.” People said, “Our Najd as well.” The Prophet again said, “O Allah ! Bless our Sham and Yemen.” They said again, “Our Najd as well.” On that the Prophet said, “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan.
Now to save face, many of the pseudo-salafi scholars have stated that this Najd refers to Iraq. Again relying on their simplistic methodology, of Quran & Sunnah, and nothing else, I will show how it is undeniable to them, that Najd and Iraq are two different places.
Here is the unambiguous long awaited hadith which will prove my point, which is also from Sahih Bukhari:
حدثنا محمد بن يوسف حدثنا سفيان عن عبد الله بن دينار عن بن عمر:
وقت النبي صلى اله عليه وسلم قرنا لأهل نجد والجحفة لأهل الشام وذا الحليفة لأهل المدينة
قال سمعت هذا من النبي صلى اله عليه وسلم وبلغني أن النبي صلى اله عليه وسلم قال ولأهل اليمن
يلملم وذكر العراق فقال لم يكن عراق يومئذ.
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.” Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “At that time it was not a Muslim country.”(Sahih Bukhari)
To further reiterate this point, we find a similar hadith in Sahih Muslim:
- Book 007, Number 2666:Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah
be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah ) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu’l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-’Irq; for the people of Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.Therefore , there should be no doubt that in fact Najd and Iraq are two different places, and not one and the same, as the pseudo-salafis would have you beleive.
You better watch out sidi, the pseudo-salafi crew may get upset for calling them what they are! Good article!
Najdi obsessions ikhwan! Let us be real sufis and concentrate on ourselves. I think some salafis are better than all of us. They seek out knowledge and make dhikr recite quran while we are engaged in argumentation and ilm al kalam. Let us put tasawwuf into practice ikhwan.
Brother, we have got to unite. Trying to disprove other Methodologies isn’t going to bring the Ummah any closer to Unity. And just out of curiosity, what other guidance do your believe in using next to Qur’an and Sunnah? Do you mean concensus of the scholars?
JazakAllahkhair Sidi Abul Layth,
@Mostafa
” Ask those who recall, if you know not ” (Qur’an 16:43),
And check this out:
Why Have Madhabs When We Have the Quran and Sunnah?
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=3695&CATE=23
Was it Najdi obsession when from the most blessed tongue came these words? Was it obsession that He (‘alayhi salaam), the pure and Imam of the Anbiyaa’, the best of creation, knew that what he was about to say would be preserved for all humanity to hear until the last hour? Was that obsession too?
Throw your baatil against a wall and paint it with the brush of truth! Indeed, our Nabi
(‘alayhis salaam) clearly warned us of the satanic fitnah that would arise from the najd, and we see it till this hour as said by the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah.
http://ahlalhdeeth.cc/vbe/showthread.php?t=251&highlight=najd
@tracker123
“All the scholars mentioned are from the Ahu-Sunna wal Jama’a but all can make mistakes except the Prophet PBUH.”
The above line has been used many times by the Psuedo-Salafis to prove their point, so I have decided to use it too. :)
Ibn Al-Athir said, “Najd is any elevated terrain, and it is a specific name for what lies outside the Hijaz and adjacent to Iraq.” [His An Nihaaya]
You can read a strong defense written by Shaykh G.F. Haddad:
http://www.livingislam.org/mshsh_e.html
Those poor blokes over at Ahl al Hadith. They really seem to be grasping at straws.
Their definition of Najd is ‘anything East of Medina’, with the caveat that this is how the Salaf ‘understood it’.
Now, I was only in Medina for two weeks last Hajj, but I am quite sure that Iraq was North East from there. A quick glance at any Middle East map will confirm this. If Iraq qualifies as Najd simply because it is vaguely East from Medina, along an imaginary dividing North South axis, then so does Somalia, Yemen, Oman, Emirates, Persia, Pakistan, all the Central Asian -stans, China, Indonesia and Malaysia.
That’s the bulk of the Muslim population in one fell swoop of a pen. Viola, a psuedo-Salfi has made the whole Najd issue a non-issue by making the defition so expansive, so as to preclude settling in the only truly Eastern area thathas historically carried the name Najd.
They’re rather good at this kind of stuff, aren’t they?
A brother named Bassam on the above link, may Allah
bless him, quoted a hadith in the sahih that states:
He then comments:
This is an interesting assumption considering Aalis Sa’ud – the patron of the wahhabis, and themselves the leader of the wahhabi da’wah, have allied with Bush, Blair, and their forefathers from amongst the Brits and the Americans. In fact, it was from their bases in “Saudi ‘Arabia” that the Taliban were being bombed by their “allies” the Bushites and the Blairites, as well as the Mushrik world.
Another person stated:
Except that our Nabi
(‘alayhis salaam) attributed to this fitnah certain qualities found amongst the wahhabbis: killing Muslims leaving the Mushrikeen, creating dissension – we have seen this emit from the house of the wahhabis for generations now beginning with their wars with the khalifah.
Lands are blessed, and because of that blessing, righteous men will come from it. This is why our Nabi
‘alayhis salaam stated:
“It shall reach a point when you will all be joining [opposite] armies: one army in shaam, one in Yemen, one in ‘Iraq. Abdullah ibn Hawaalah said, “Choose for me Oh Rasulullah
!” He said, “You must join Shaam, for it is Allah 
’s chosen land in His earth. In it shall the chosen ones among His servants have protection. Otherwise, go to Yemen but be prepared to drink from still water. For Allah 
has given me a gurantee concerning Shaam and its people.” [This is the translation of Shaykh G.f. Haddad and It is correct.]
In another report of Ibn Hawaalah we find him saying, “When He (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) noticed my distaste for Sham he said: “Do you know what Allah
says about Sham? Verily, Allah 
said: ‘Oh Sham, you are the safwa (quintessence) of My lands and I shall inhabit you with the chosen ones of my servants.”
See the takhreej: http://seekingilm.com/archives/288
The “chosen” ones of my servants being key here! “أدخل فيك خيرتي من عبادي”
Im sure you brothers are aware of the infighting amongst ‘salafis’. it’s a word, it means nothing on its own. ‘Salafis’, for eg, today are guilty of the very same taqlid they used to criticize, for eg, the hanafis. what it comes down to is the individual behavior of scholars, the evidences they bring forward, the scholars before them who agreed with their conclusions etc
i dont give a damn about najdis but to label every najdi ‘devil’ or to use these narrations for every najdi arab who takes knowledge and disagrees with your opinions/kalam is injustice
This type of thought is shallow – a sad sight of a group of brothers patting each other on the back for being guided, upon haqq…
From Sham…how much fitna occurred during the time of Ali & Mu’awiya. how many sects were born there. The leaders today even are alawi shias – but they are better tha salafis right…
Medina expels hypocrites….so is every scholar there upon guidance? Those in haramayn – are they ALL upon guidance? i mean arent you the ones who (rightly) go on about fiqh (understanding) of the shari’ah as the Prophet meant it…
funny that american muslims, a truly interesting mish mosh of loud personalities, more yap yap and volume than sense often – should sit in the land of Bush and speak what you do.
Sometimes the salafis, according to bro AL, are allying with the brits/americans and at others they are blowing them up as terrorists. He just changes his super-hero underpants when it suits him.
Keep swimming guys in your puddle of arrogance. May Allah
give me and those who try hard to follow the salaf peace, blessings and jannah.
lol. The scholars of shaam are upon right guidance and have been since the inception of Islam in its cradle. The ‘alawi shi’a are of course not included in a hadith that talks about the “chosen servants”. Unless, of course, you believe ahlul bida’ah can be “Chosen”. We are talking of movements here, and the movement of wahhabis has solidified in the najd. The ahadith are specific of the satanic spirit found in najd, and it is this statement we are analyzing.
As for the deviant governments in Sham, then it has no affect upon the claim that we are making. “Its people” is in reference to the scholars, the elite of the Ummah hence the phrase “khirati min ‘ibaadi”.
As for “American” Muslims, take it up with them. You repeatedly attempt to dodge bullets by throwing out into the arena odd-balls that have no relevance to the topic. Your smoke screens only expose how weak your arguments are.
Lastly, there is a hizb of the neo-”salafis”. They are a sect, fueled by the trash da’wah of tajsim of the wahhabis. The sect has developed branches worse than even some sects of the shi’ah! To say that “salafi” is just a word is a stupid error, only one who wants to “cast shadows” attempts to utilize in order to manipulate reality.
Fact: It is not just a word, it is a sect, a movement that stems from the loins of Najd – an area demeaned by the Nabi
(‘alayhis salaam). The da’wah of this sect, since its inception, is evil, as the scholars of the times warned, including Ibn ‘Aabideen. Now, the scholars of Shaam warn against this evil da’wah – a group of elite from the Ummah of whom the Nabi 
‘alayhi salaam stated what we have quoted.
Ameen
some good points on all ends. Jazakallaah khayr ikhwaan
To borrow from a heavily misused cliche: it’s not the people of najd who are bad, it’s their leadership.
From the very start, Najd was a bad neighborhood. The most formidable enemy that Islam has ever had was a man by the name of Musaylima. Unlike other tawagheet, who have been for the most part non-Arab, this guy was an Arab, a poet, wealty, connected, battle-tested, and had the eloquence to win over the hearts and minds of the people.
After the death of the Nabi
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) this man – Musaylimah – began his campaign to extinguish the light of Allah 
. He was too strong to overcome. Not Uthman, or Ali, or even Umar could have done the job. Had Allah 
not blessed this Ummah with Hazrat Abu Bakar As-Sideeq (Alayhis Salaam), Musaylimah would most assuredly subdued us. We thank Allah 
for blessing us Abu Bakr and we owe both a great debt of gratitude.
People make fun of Musaylimah now and he makes for good foder amongst many Muslims today, but the fact remains, that he was no joke. He was a dangerous warrior, hell-bent on the destruction of Islam, a devil in the true sense of the word. I dare say, Iblis’ right-hand-man. He is only a joke because Allah
has chosen that he be humiliated until the end of time.
So what’s the point. Well behind every strong man lies a base. A place from which he derives his power. A place that emboldens him to strength. For Rasulullah
(صلى الله عليه وسلم), that place was Medina. For Musaylimah, that place was Najd.
Najd would come back and rear its ugly head once again for Sayyiduna Ali Ibn Abi Talib (alayhis sallaam).
Not to forget that the Prophet[saws] did not hold in high regards the tribe of Banu Tamim, in several of his sayings, and were seen in contempt for their rude manners, harshness and arrogance, and ignorance. this is the same tribe that constitutes the bulk of people of what is today Central Saudi Arabia, and forms the major tribal groups of Nejd. Many of the past khawarij came from this tribe, ever since from this sect’s earliest days, and this tribe had been a major contributer of men , support and resources for the khawarij revolts throughout ages ( from the days of Rashidun, all the way through the ummayads, abbasids, and then the ottomans, Nejd ( today’s central saudi arabia) had always been a hot bed of khawarij activity ). People including the false claimaint of prophethood like Tuleha, and Mohammad ibn Abdel wahab the founder of the wahabi movement where of banu tamimites also.
Dear Br.Usooli,
how would you explain the following hadith than?
found in Sahih Bukhari:
“I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani Tamim, ever since I heard three things the Messenger of Allah
said about them. I heard him saying, ‘These people (of the tribe of Bani Tamim) would stand firm against the Dajjal.’ When the charitable gifts from that tribe came, the Messenger of Allah 
said, ‘These are the charitable gifts of our folk.’ A’ishah had a slave girl from that tribe, and the Prophet said to A’ishah, ‘Manumit her, as she is a descendant of Ishmael.’” [6]
Also from Musnad Imam Ahmed:
“Say nothing but good of the Bani Tamim, for they indeed are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjal.”
P.S. I took this from Wikipedia, so hopefully its legit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tamimi
lol..nicely done anonymous!
To anonymous, one must take all the mustered evidences as a whole to reach a verdict. That hadeeth you have quoted is just an exception to the norm, where it shows the rigour of the tamimites in the last days that would be used for the Islamic religion.
However this sole virtue doesnot serve to discount the overall negative qualities that have been stated about bani tamim, the tribe from which the bulk of the khawarij appeared over the ages, and from which the wahabi movement sprang.
The famous Dhul Khuwaysira was a Tamimi, and the hadeeth of the Prophet[saws] about his offsprings/companions is famous. In the Quran the reason of the revelation of the 4th verse of surah al hujjarat : ” Those who call you from behind the chambers ; most of them have no sense”, was on the occasion when a delegate of banu tamim visited the Prophet[saws] and called out to him[saws] in a harsh manner to come out to see them.
Bukhari narrates : ” on the authority of Imran ibn Husayn[ra] : ‘a group of tamimites came to the Prophet[saws] and he said : “O tribe..Receive good news!” the Tamimites replied : “You promise us good news, so give us something(money)!”, and upon hearing this the face of the Prophet[saws] changed. then some Yemenis came and he said:” O people of yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Banu Tamim have not accepted it! and they said:”we accept” and the Prophet[saws] began to speak about the beginning of the creation, and about the Thorne.”)Bukhari; kitab bad’ al khalq 1)
http://www.isna.net/library/hadith/bukhari/054_sbt.html
All of these narrations clearly show the traits of ignorance, stubbornness, and rudeness amongst Tamimites because of whom Nejd is unblessed.
It is interesting to note that Imam al-Qurtubi mentions in his tafseer of verse 4 of surah al hujarat the following hadeeth of the Prophet[saws] about the Banu Tamimites over whose occasion this verse was revealed that :
“They are of the dry ones-Bani Tamim. Had it not been for the reason of them being the severest people in fighting the Dajjal,I would have prayed to Allah
to exterminate/destroy them.”
هم جفاة بني تميم لولا أنهم من أشد الناس قتالا للأعور الدجال لدعوت الله عليهم أن يهلكهم
JazakAllahkhair Usooli for clarifying the hadith. As for Musa Ali, your lack of akhlaq is representative of what you follow.
wa iyyakum khair al jazaa dear brother anonymous.
Gentle, o anonymous!
allow me to taste some of the abundant goodness He has blessed sidi Musa with.
You do not know the states of people’s hearts.
May Allah
A friend of mine referred me to this link, what is the response to this:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31822&page=2
The Messenger of Allah
said, “O Allah 
bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allah 
bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allah 
, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from their appears the Horn of Satan.”
Reported in al-Bukhaaree [Book of Trials, Chpt. ‘The afflictions will come from the East’ 9/166 no. 214 Eng. Trans]
Compare that hadeeth to this one:
Al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, Compiled by Imam Al-Tabarani:
Narrated by Ibn Abbas:
The Prophet supplicated and said, “O Allah
bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen.” A person from amongst the people said, “O Prophet of Allah 
, and Iraq?” He said, “Indeed there (in Iraq) is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed harshness is in the East.”
It’s pretty clear it’s the exact same event, with the only wording difference being “and Iraq” instead of “and Najd”.
And the statement of Ibn Hajar [ra] who Sufis love to quote (except in this instance):
وَقَالَ الْخَطَّابِيُّ : نَجِد مِنْ جِهَة الْمَشْرِق وَمَنْ كَانَ بِالْمَدِينَةِ كَانَ نَجْده بَادِيَة الْعِرَاق وَنَوَاحِيهَا وَهِيَ مَشْرِق أَهْل الْمَدِينَة ، وَأَصْل النَّجْد مَا اِرْتَفَعَ مِنْ الْأَرْض
al Khatabi said: Najd from the direction of the east, and who was in al Madinah, his najd was in badiya of Iraq and what surrounds is… and the origin of al najd is the land that is raised (that is high)
Here’s the linguistic meaning of Najd. The following is an excertp from the Lexicon Al-Qaamoos Al-Muheet:
http://lexicons.sakhr.com/openme.asp?fileurl=/html/5104774.html
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(النَّجْدُ): ما أشْرَفَ من الأرض [ج] أنْجُدٌ وأنجادٌ ونِجادٌ ونُجودٌ ونُجُدٌ وجمع (النُّجودِ) أنْجِدة والطريقُ الواضِحُ المُرْتَفِعُ وما خالَفَ الغَوْرَ أي تِهامَةَ وتُضَمُّ جيمُهُ مُذَكَّرٌ أعْلاهُ تِهامَةُ واليَمنُ وأسْفَلُهُ العِراقُ والشامُ وأوَّلُهُ من جِهَةِ الحِجازِ ذاتُ عِرْقٍ وما يُنَجَّدُ به البيتُ من بُسْطٍ وفُرُشٍ ووسائِد [ج] نُجودٌ ونجادٌ والدليلُ الماهِرُ والمكانُ لا شجرَ فيه والعُلْبَةُ وشجرٌ كالشُّبْرُم وأرضٌ بِبلاد مَهْرَةَ في أقَصْى اليَمنِ والشُّجاعُ الماضي فيما يُعْجِزُ غيرَهُ (كالنَّجِدِ والنَّجُدِ) [ج] ككَتِفٍ ورجُلٍ [ج]
Al-Najd is land that is elevated above earth. Its other forms are, anjudun, anjādun, nijādun, nujūdun, nujdun. Its plural form is Al-Nujūd and anjīdah, and it (consists of) elevated and clear roads and that which is in contrast to lowlands and valleys such as the highlands of Tihāmah which are located in the southwestern shores of Arabia. The letter jīm may be vocalized with the dammah and the word is grammatically masculine. The highlands of Tihāmah and Yemen are situated at a higher elevation from Najd while IRAQ and Sham are situated below it. Its border begins from the Hijāz specifically from the ‘Irq territory which is the easternmost fringe of the Hijāz.
Its secondary meaning is those materials which a house is furnished with, such as dinning tables, beds, and pillows.
As for when the word is written in the forms nujūdun and nijādun, then it can either mean a skilled tour guide, a versatile geographic guidebook, or it can mean a place which lacks trees, or a box, or a woody plant such the shubrum tree, or it can mean land in states which are clearly in the most remote locations of Yemen, or it can mean a valiant hero of the distant past who incapacitates his opponents
The word can also be written as An-Najid or An-Najud similar to the word patters katif and rajul.
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If you like Anonymous, you can check the translation yourself or have your Sheikh do it for the sake of accuracy.
It appears as if the author of this lexicon makes a distinction between Najd and Iraq.
Also, the statement you brought is not actually Ibn Hajr’s, if its even from one of his works. He is quoting someone else, namely Al-Khattabi. Its a characteristic of the Ulama to quote all of their sources regardless of whether they agree or disagree with them.
Al-Khattabi says that Iraq is east of Medinah yet modern-day maps beg to differ.
http://www.appliedlanguage.com/maps_of_the_world/map_of_saudi_arabia.gif
I mean Riyadh, the heart and sould of Najd is directly east of Medinah.
Also check out this geographical map.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_rel_803005AI_2003.jpg
Notice how Riyadh is situated on mountanous territory, which fits the linguistic meaning of Najd. And notice how Iraq is fertile green plain territory.
Whoever Al-Khattabi was, I respect him a great deal. May Allah
have mercy upon him. However, I must disagree with him. This is one instance where modern technology stands against the knowledge of our forefathers.
Allah
A’lam.
this is a fascinating discussion – may Allah
bless it with sound conclusions.
Whatever the truth may be about the locations of Najd – if we assume even that it certainly refers to central Arabia, clearly we are not dealing in absolutes (like the dark side!!); there can, of course, be good and bad in one area – some from Najd apparently will be the harshest to fight the Dajjal-so they are hardly satanic.
The hadith is beautiful – but who on earth gave SI team knowledge that it was in reference to ‘pseudosalafis’ as they deridingly abuse them. What if the horn of satan is yet to emerge? Does br AL know for sure that Ibn Abdul Wahhab (+-his followers) was the devils horn? Ultimately on many levels that is what this debate is about.
The Messenger of Allah
exalted the mention of some places/peoples & abased others – but to label an entire region/people evil based on these betrays his words it seems. Syria, for example has given us extreme Shia & extreme fitna over the years. The Messenger of Allah 
spoke sooo highly of Medina – well, arent the pseudos there as well?!
Br. Tilmeedh-even before your kind words above i prayed to Allah
to bless me with YOUR akhlaq. jazakumullah bi khair & wassalam brothers
the article br. anonymous posted makes the claim that there were 13 ‘najds’ during the Nabi
’s time. This is very important if substantiated.
furthermore-i dont know how the Sahaba’s (radiAllahuanhum) ‘compasses’ worked but the hadith from ibn Umar suggests that they understood east to mean iraq (?how)
“Saalim bin Abdullaah bin Umar said: O people of Iraaq, how strange is it that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins? [The killing of al-Husayn] I heard my father, Abdullaah bin Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allaah saying while pointing his hand to the east: “Indeed the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another…” [muslim]
there is also the interesting paralell in the different narrations ‘what about our najd’ & ‘what about our iraq’ – ?same incident
waAllahu A’lam
Shaykh Nuh Keller wrote ‘Port in a storm’ because some north americans were praying towards the Qiblah incorrectly going by the topographic world map. The curvature of the earth when taken into account meant the true Qiblah was elsewhere.
Taking the curvature of the earth into account – east of Medina is the Iran/Iraq area. So their compasses were right on!
I’ll concede the point ya akhi Musa. I hate debate with a passion. However, for the sake of your own self-respect, whatever you say, don’t say that Iran is Najd. You can say Iraq and get away with it, but if you say Iran your credibility goes right out the window.
On a final note, I will repeat, I have nothing against the Najdi people. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of my Arab friends are Najdi and they have proven themselves as outstanding individuals. Were not the father and brother of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi?
It’s the Najdi leadership that stinks!
sure sidi Ibn Ahmad – i wont mention Iran again :)
Salamun Alaykum
The Najd being refered to there is the Makkan Najd, to the east of Makkah, however the Najd spoken of in “bless our najd”.. both Imam Nawawi and Ibn Hajar confirm this refers to Iraq and there is also a hadith which is the same as the “bless our najd” hadith, excpet it says “bless out iraq” and the Prophet salallahu alyhi wasalam refused to do dua for iraq as the fitnah will arrise from there. It is important to note that the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam was always fair… Despite the Khawaarij being from the blood of tribe of Bani Tamim, he also told us not to say anything bad about them as they will be the fiercest in fighting ad-Dajjal.
I don’t have an opinion in this matter anymore. It doesn’t interest me that much. Nevertheless, here’s a good read regarding the topic.
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/najd.htm
how can we say that the hadith about bless our najd can only be refering to najd in saudi .
what i understood after reading shaykh gf haddad’s article;
( http://www.livingislam.org/mshsh_e.html )
was that iraq is also included when we say najd.
there are hadiths which show that the sign of deviants is that they shave their heads.
i have read some refutations were they say that this sign was evident in ibn abdul wahab.
does anyone have any direct reference to show that ibn abdul wahab practised it and propogated the shaving of heads.
If you think that the ‘Iraq of today is equivalent to the ‘iraq of yesteryear, then you are mistaken. The borders currently were drawn by the brits and their expansionist imperialistic generals.
so even southern part of najd is problematic.
and the hadith refers to the whole of najd including one in saudi and southern iraq right?
here are some 16th & 17 th century maps:
http://www.bergbook.com/htdocs/Cache325.htm
sorry mistake in what i wrote above.
what i meant is that wont sothern part of todays iraq be also part of najd ?
and wasnt prophet SAW refering to najd as a whole in the hadith and after forseeing all the fitnah that would rise from the east.
if najd was not considered as part iraq ,then why would the narrators of hadith narrate najd as iraa
if iraaq was not considered as part of najd ,then why would the narrators of hadith narrate najd as iraaq as found in the hadith “bless our najd”.
does anyone have answers for it?
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As’salamu alaikum WRB,
While reading this discussion, I was using google earth to get information about some remote locations in the empty corridor of Saudi Arabia. One of the explanation of Najd given is of that an elevated land / location. google earth give information about the Lat Long and also elevation. The following is the data I collected:
Madina Al-Munawara : 1992ft Elevation
Iraq : 363 ft Elevation (Its where the country name comes), Baghdad : 384ft Elevation, Kufa: 173 ft Elevation
Basra: 90ft Elevation
Buraydah : 2458 ft Elevation, Riyadh : 2637ft Elevation etc
If the ruler is used to draw a line toward east of Madina and noting the elevation, it Will be seen that elevation reaches upto 3000 ft & more.
So with the definition of Najd a high land etc, Iraq does not qualify for it unless severe land erosion has taken place and changes took place in the layers of earth to make it lower than Madina now.