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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this today:

Narrated from Mutarrif by Ibn &#039;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (7:143) with a weak chain because of Jâmi&#039; ibn Sawada as per al-Dâraqut.nî in Ibn H.ajar&#039;s Lisân (2:93). Also narrated from Salih ibn Ayyûb from Habib ibn Abî Habib - who is very weak - by al-Dhahabî in Syar A&#039;lâm al-Nubalâ&#039; (8:418). The latter reported in his Mîzân (1:452) from Ibn &#039;Adi&#039;s Kamil (2&quot;818) the opinion that all of Ibn Abî Habib&#039;s narrations are forged but this is an extreme statement in light of three factors: (a) Ibn &#039;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (24:177) mentioned Habib as merely weak, adding: &quot;His reports from Mâlik are full of mistakes and condemned matters&quot;; (b) Salih ibn Ayyûb said: &quot;I mentioned this report to Yah.yâ ibn Bukayr and he said: &quot;Excellent, by Allâh! and I did not hear it from Mâlik.&quot; Narrated by al-Dhahabî who describes Ibn Bukayr in Tadhkirat al-H.uffâz. (2:420) as &quot;the muh.addith of Egypt, the Imâm and trustworthy h.adîth Master... one of the vessels of knowledge together with truthfulness and complete reliability... Where is the like of Ibn Bukayr in his leadership in the Religion, his insight in fatwâ, and the abundance of his learning?&quot; (c) Ibn &#039;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (7:143) also narrates this report from Habib, then goes on to narrate it from Mutarrif, adding: &quot;It is possible that the matter be as Mâlik said, and Allâh knows best.&quot; It is established that Jâmi&#039; did narrate from Mutarrif, as stated by al-Mizzî in Tahdhîb al-Kamâl (28:71).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this today:</p>
<p>Narrated from Mutarrif by Ibn &#8216;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (7:143) with a weak chain because of Jâmi&#8217; ibn Sawada as per al-Dâraqut.nî in Ibn H.ajar&#8217;s Lisân (2:93). Also narrated from Salih ibn Ayyûb from Habib ibn Abî Habib &#8211; who is very weak &#8211; by al-Dhahabî in Syar A&#8217;lâm al-Nubalâ&#8217; (8:418). The latter reported in his Mîzân (1:452) from Ibn &#8216;Adi&#8217;s Kamil (2&#8243;818) the opinion that all of Ibn Abî Habib&#8217;s narrations are forged but this is an extreme statement in light of three factors: (a) Ibn &#8216;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (24:177) mentioned Habib as merely weak, adding: &#8220;His reports from Mâlik are full of mistakes and condemned matters&#8221;; (b) Salih ibn Ayyûb said: &#8220;I mentioned this report to Yah.yâ ibn Bukayr and he said: &#8220;Excellent, by Allâh! and I did not hear it from Mâlik.&#8221; Narrated by al-Dhahabî who describes Ibn Bukayr in Tadhkirat al-H.uffâz. (2:420) as &#8220;the muh.addith of Egypt, the Imâm and trustworthy h.adîth Master&#8230; one of the vessels of knowledge together with truthfulness and complete reliability&#8230; Where is the like of Ibn Bukayr in his leadership in the Religion, his insight in fatwâ, and the abundance of his learning?&#8221; (c) Ibn &#8216;Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhîd (7:143) also narrates this report from Habib, then goes on to narrate it from Mutarrif, adding: &#8220;It is possible that the matter be as Mâlik said, and Allâh knows best.&#8221; It is established that Jâmi&#8217; did narrate from Mutarrif, as stated by al-Mizzî in Tahdhîb al-Kamâl (28:71).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ws wr wb...

Well actually the reports &lt;strong&gt;do not&lt;/strong&gt; support their views. The pseudo-salafis quote &lt;em&gt;aathaar &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;ahadith&lt;/em&gt;, expect everyone to live by their &lt;strong&gt;unproven &lt;/strong&gt;principle of &quot;take it upon the literal meaning&quot;, and then claim everything is proof for them. The language of Arabic itself is a refutation of their creed, and such nullifies their supposed &quot;proofs&quot;. As for the Sunni stances, then they have many aathaar and ahadith, as well as supportive narrations of the Mujtahidin of this Ummah. But most of all, they have the support of the language of arabic, which when dealing with the nusus of Islam, is a proof - especially in issues of the Qur&#039;an. Ibn &#039;Abbas mentioned this principle actually, maybe I will do a paper on it insha&#039;allah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ws wr wb&#8230;</p>
<p>Well actually the reports <strong>do not</strong> support their views. The pseudo-salafis quote <em>aathaar </em>and <em>ahadith</em>, expect everyone to live by their <strong>unproven </strong>principle of &#8220;take it upon the literal meaning&#8221;, and then claim everything is proof for them. The language of Arabic itself is a refutation of their creed, and such nullifies their supposed &#8220;proofs&#8221;. As for the Sunni stances, then they have many aathaar and ahadith, as well as supportive narrations of the Mujtahidin of this Ummah. But most of all, they have the support of the language of arabic, which when dealing with the nusus of Islam, is a proof &#8211; especially in issues of the Qur&#8217;an. Ibn &#8216;Abbas mentioned this principle actually, maybe I will do a paper on it insha&#8217;allah.</p>
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		<title>By: JustaMuslim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Barakallahu feek for your efforts and the comprehensive answer. Although the conclusion is not what I hoped it is. How can it be, that the pseudo-salafis support their views with so many statements from the salaf (or statements which are ascribed to them) but there are very few statements of the salaf that support our views (or at least I am not aware of that much)? I don&#039;t understand this.

But again barakallahu feek, may Allah grant you and your dear ones jannatu-l-firdaws. Amin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh</p>
<p>Barakallahu feek for your efforts and the comprehensive answer. Although the conclusion is not what I hoped it is. How can it be, that the pseudo-salafis support their views with so many statements from the salaf (or statements which are ascribed to them) but there are very few statements of the salaf that support our views (or at least I am not aware of that much)? I don&#8217;t understand this.</p>
<p>But again barakallahu feek, may Allah grant you and your dear ones jannatu-l-firdaws. Amin</p>
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		<title>By: faqir</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salam
an old related post:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?4030-The-ta-wil-of-the-Salaf-RA&amp;p=59332&amp;viewfull=1#post59332</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salam<br />
an old related post:</p>
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