Imam Abu Yusuf and the Muqaatiliyyah : Scan of Quote
I have for some time utilized the labeling “Neo-Muqaatiliyyah” for the Mujassim pseudo-salafis of our tried era. They have embodied the same beliefs as Muqatil ibn Sulayman as we have shown elsewhere. Some claim, may Allah guide them and bless them with good, that I have innovated this term. Here I shall present the quote from Al-Hafith Ibn Hajr Al-’Asqalani from his Tahthib At-Tahthib for all Muslims to see for themselves. Click the following scan to see for yourself:
I have underlined with red the quote of Abu Yusuf. He said, “In Khurasan are two groups, and there is not upon the earth more hated to me than these two, the Muqaatiliyyah and the Jahmiyyah.”
And Abu Hanifah stated, “…Muqaatil became so extreme in his ‘affirmation’ that he ended up making Allah similar to his creation.”
And May Allah Bless the Prophet Muhammad, His family, and followers.
jazakallah khayr akhi but what does it mean to go extreme in affirmation? Why not just say Allah calls him self Ar rahman so we accept that and Allah attributes Will to himself, hearing and sight and hand etc.. there is just too many textual proofs for this. Im with you akhi but im not with you. wasalaam
Bro sidi abul layth Is there any CLEAR and I mean very cleary quotes from the Salaf that they made tafweed? I have seen the quotes that some have posted before however it does not seem to be clear rather it could be argued .
As-salaamu `alaykum,
Sufyaan ath-thawri said, when asked about the verses commonly argued about in this regard, “The tafseer of these verses is SILENCE!”.. This is clearly tafweedh!!
so muqatilis were people of anthropomorphism then! n’oudubillah subhanahu.
mustafa there are numerous authentic quotes from the salaf including Malik, Shaf’i, Ahmad, Auza’i, Layth bin Sa’d, Thawri, ibn Uyaynah, tirmidhi, and many others – that essentially they AFFIRM the Attributes, they do not deny them, (bi laa takyeef) they did not discuss MODALITY, and they do not make RESEMBLANCE with anything else.
this was the aqidah of the salaf which we should never depart from. The khalaf who followed this way are also many – dhahabi et al. But many departed from the way of ahl sunnah.
InshaAllah our brother AL will confirm for you if he has knowledge of them, these reports – or else i could send them to you.
thanks to abu layth for the scan – with this in mind, though, he refers to me as ‘among the muqatilis’ and that’s at least 1 slander on his account – coz i aint no muqatili.
Perhaps he should be more careful; he’s still young and impressionable
Yes but those reports indicated that they accepted the sifaat without making tafweed
sidi abul layth would imam bukhari rahimahullah be considered a muqatili? http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=13889&sid=217c5ee6ed1021964dfb1860e49925bc
Sidi Mustafa,
If those quotes are authentic, then they can be understood as the scholars refuting the position of the Jahmis, who reportedly believed that Allah was literally everywhere.
As for Imam Bukhari, I thought you might find this interesting.
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Tafsir, The Tafsir of Surat al-Qasas:
“All things are passing except His Face,” (28:88), i.e. “except His domain.” It is said, “Except that which is intended for the sake of Allah.”
Is this Imam Bukhari making tawil?
Musa, your a lacking fiqh. Mustafa, extreme affirmation is to do what the pseudo-salafis do today and affirm a “literal meaning” applicable to Allah.
The middle way of affirmation is to say “Yes Allah has a yad – and the meaning of “yad” is known by Him ta’alaa.”
This is what was meant by Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal saying, “Without kayf and without meaning.”
To make ta’weel is also safe, as long as it is in agreement with the language of the classical arabic. But the safest is tafweed.
Imaam As-Suyuti, as quoted by Ibn Al-’Imaad Al-Hanbali in Shadharatudh-Dhahab, stated in poetic form;
فوض أحاديث الصفات * ولا تشبه أو تعطل
الارمت إلا الخوض في * تحقيف معضلة فأول
إن المفوض سالم * مما تكلفه المؤول
Consign (the meaning) of the ahadith (narrations) of attributes (to Allah )
And do not liken them to the creation nor negate them
If all other pursuits have past except embarking upon
The solving this problem, only then search for an interpretation
‘Indeed the one who consigns (its meaning to Allah ) is saved
From the burden of the one who interprets figuratively’
Imam As-Suyuti, unlike the childish punk Musa Ali, stated that tafweed al-ma’naa was the way of the salaf as well:
Ibn Hajr stated:
Al-Bayhaqi said: “The safest method is to believe in them without modality, and to maintain concerning what is meant except if the explanation is conveyed from the Prophet himself, in which case it is followed.” The proof for this is the agreement of the scholars that the specific interpretation is not obligatory, and that therefore the commitment of meaning to Allah (tafwid) is the safest option (at-tafweedh aslam).
[fat-hul-baari]
In risaalah Nithaamiyyah, the Imam of the two Harams, Al-Juwayni stated:
you can read everything here: http://seekingilm.com/archives/8
There are other works written on this in english that are far better than what we have compiled.
another empty post by AL, for the discerning at least. Someone once said, ‘you can only bring the donkey to the water – you cant make it drink’
There are a lot of donkeys; and they think they are lions
Allahumma guide me and the SI team to the truth. Amin
Empty only to the empty! Jazaakum Allahu Khairan and Amin to your du’aa.
Assalaamu Alaykum,
Can someone plz translate the scan from Al-Hafith Ibn Hajr Al-’Asqalani’s (rah) Tahthib At-Tahthib ?
Please inform us what entry is the scan from Ibn Hajar’s Tahdhib taken from.
Entry 7981, name: Muqatil ibn Sulayman.
Published by Dar Ihyaa’ At-Turath Al-Arabi, Beirut, 1993: Vol. 5 page 523 .
Was-Salam
Abul Layth
The image was broken and we have fixed it Alhamdulillah!