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	<title>Comments on: Monthly reflection: On Taking Jews and Christians as Friends</title>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do frequently ask advice from non-Muslims; I revise for exams with non-Muslims, I ask my non-Muslim teachers and professors how I can improve on a piece of work etc.  In fact, my counsellor is a non-Muslim, and I tell them quite personal things.  I talk to non-Muslims more than I talk to Muslims (just because there are more of them around me).  Does all that constitute bitanah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do frequently ask advice from non-Muslims; I revise for exams with non-Muslims, I ask my non-Muslim teachers and professors how I can improve on a piece of work etc.  In fact, my counsellor is a non-Muslim, and I tell them quite personal things.  I talk to non-Muslims more than I talk to Muslims (just because there are more of them around me).  Does all that constitute bitanah?</p>
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		<title>By: Usooli</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator>Usooli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamualikum to everyone,


dear bro OM, about dealing with kuffar or in fact with any person or group of people, there are three levels of interaction. The beginning one is mercy(rahma), next is seeking confidence/trust/protection from them (called bitanah), and final one is support/aggreement/assistance(mudhaharah/muwalat) of their way/cause/position/religion.

 So not every acts/position of mercy/rahma is a bitanah, and not every bitanah is muwalaat, however note that, if the proper checks and limitations in relationships are not enforced, the early level of rahma progresses into bitanah overtime, and latter on continuous bitanah leads  to muwalat and mudaharah.

Examples of rahma would be like accepting gifts, visiting a sick one, attending funerals, giving charity, lending neutral help, sending letters, keeping communication, general visitation, sitting with them, eating/drinking together, greeting, smiling, and neutral talk.

These are allowed with the kuffar who dont fight islam or muslims, or expell muslims from their homes etc. If these acts of rahma are done with muharib kuffars(those who fight muslims) without any motivation for da3wah, then it would not expell someone from the circle of islam, but it is a sign of the absence of eman (which is of a higher degree than islam)

Next, Example of bitanah would be when a kaffir would be trusted to the point where he is taken as a close aid, assigned to some important task related to the welfare of muslims, taken as a confident to whom secrets are revealed, as a leader/advisor/consultant/manager, as a person who is trusted with the muslim&#039;s wealth, or when he is or they are taken as a protection for the muslims, when the latter is weak and the kuffar are stronger in comparision.

The bitanah is not allowed with neither a harbi nor a non harbi, but practicing it doesnot constitute kufr. However it is a dangerous step that would eventually lead to the muwalat of the kuffar, as through bitanah a person developes overtime good opinion of kuffar and for what they stand for..


The muwalat/mudahara is the situation when the kaffir&#039;s religion is approved or supported, or their cause is aided. Like helping them in building churches, faciliating them in doing missionary works, aiding their armies and politicians.
It is this mudahara that is kufr, and exits the person out of the fold of islam, about which Allah severely warns.

This is what i learnt from studying the verses of the Quran regarding this subject, the actions/sayings of the Prophet[saws]and his companions, and the statements of the muffasireen, and im not a scholar nor someone who is correct always.

I request all my dear brothers and sisters who are far better than me, and especially the knowledgeable ones of them, to please Correct me if i had uttered anything wrong or said something in conflict with the proper sunni understanding of the deen regarding this subject.

Jazakumullahu khayra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamualikum to everyone,</p>
<p>dear bro OM, about dealing with kuffar or in fact with any person or group of people, there are three levels of interaction. The beginning one is mercy(rahma), next is seeking confidence/trust/protection from them (called bitanah), and final one is support/aggreement/assistance(mudhaharah/muwalat) of their way/cause/position/religion.</p>
<p> So not every acts/position of mercy/rahma is a bitanah, and not every bitanah is muwalaat, however note that, if the proper checks and limitations in relationships are not enforced, the early level of rahma progresses into bitanah overtime, and latter on continuous bitanah leads  to muwalat and mudaharah.</p>
<p>Examples of rahma would be like accepting gifts, visiting a sick one, attending funerals, giving charity, lending neutral help, sending letters, keeping communication, general visitation, sitting with them, eating/drinking together, greeting, smiling, and neutral talk.</p>
<p>These are allowed with the kuffar who dont fight islam or muslims, or expell muslims from their homes etc. If these acts of rahma are done with muharib kuffars(those who fight muslims) without any motivation for da3wah, then it would not expell someone from the circle of islam, but it is a sign of the absence of eman (which is of a higher degree than islam)</p>
<p>Next, Example of bitanah would be when a kaffir would be trusted to the point where he is taken as a close aid, assigned to some important task related to the welfare of muslims, taken as a confident to whom secrets are revealed, as a leader/advisor/consultant/manager, as a person who is trusted with the muslim&#8217;s wealth, or when he is or they are taken as a protection for the muslims, when the latter is weak and the kuffar are stronger in comparision.</p>
<p>The bitanah is not allowed with neither a harbi nor a non harbi, but practicing it doesnot constitute kufr. However it is a dangerous step that would eventually lead to the muwalat of the kuffar, as through bitanah a person developes overtime good opinion of kuffar and for what they stand for..</p>
<p>The muwalat/mudahara is the situation when the kaffir&#8217;s religion is approved or supported, or their cause is aided. Like helping them in building churches, faciliating them in doing missionary works, aiding their armies and politicians.<br />
It is this mudahara that is kufr, and exits the person out of the fold of islam, about which Allah severely warns.</p>
<p>This is what i learnt from studying the verses of the Quran regarding this subject, the actions/sayings of the Prophet[saws]and his companions, and the statements of the muffasireen, and im not a scholar nor someone who is correct always.</p>
<p>I request all my dear brothers and sisters who are far better than me, and especially the knowledgeable ones of them, to please Correct me if i had uttered anything wrong or said something in conflict with the proper sunni understanding of the deen regarding this subject.</p>
<p>Jazakumullahu khayra</p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2345</link>
		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw there is nothing ever wrong with the shari`a, I would always follow it insha Allah- I only need to hear some scholars give an opinion akhi, then I will obey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw there is nothing ever wrong with the shari`a, I would always follow it insha Allah- I only need to hear some scholars give an opinion akhi, then I will obey.</p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a fatwa from Sh bin Bayyah saying it was OK to have non-Muslim friends.  Can you provide us with opinions of the scholars that contradict this?  Is it wrong to invite a non-Muslim to one&#039;s house to eat with them, to discuss things with them etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a fatwa from Sh bin Bayyah saying it was OK to have non-Muslim friends.  Can you provide us with opinions of the scholars that contradict this?  Is it wrong to invite a non-Muslim to one&#8217;s house to eat with them, to discuss things with them etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Attiya</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Attiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah, but the Qur&#039;an does not say that we hate their deeds only, but them as well.

Have the scholars talked about this natural love and divine love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah, but the Qur&#8217;an does not say that we hate their deeds only, but them as well.</p>
<p>Have the scholars talked about this natural love and divine love?</p>
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		<title>By: Abul Layth</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2342</link>
		<dc:creator>Abul Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have divine hatred for everyone&#039;s evil deeds and divine love for everyone based upon their good deeds.

Just how it works bro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have divine hatred for everyone&#8217;s evil deeds and divine love for everyone based upon their good deeds.</p>
<p>Just how it works bro.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Attiya</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2341</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Attiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you can have natural love for your wife, would that then mean that you should have some &#039;divine&#039; hatred for her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you can have natural love for your wife, would that then mean that you should have some &#8216;divine&#8217; hatred for her?</p>
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		<title>By: Abul Layth</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator>Abul Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmad, we have explained that there are exceptions to this. Also there are two types of love: 1) natural love 2) love for Allah&#039;s sake.

I love my mother, she is christian. It is natural. If I have a wife who is christian, which is a bad idea, I could love her naturally as well. These are exceptions to the general rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmad, we have explained that there are exceptions to this. Also there are two types of love: 1) natural love 2) love for Allah&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>I love my mother, she is christian. It is natural. If I have a wife who is christian, which is a bad idea, I could love her naturally as well. These are exceptions to the general rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Attiya</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2339</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Attiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazakallah Khayr brother Abu Layth

Can you please write an article on &quot;loving the kuffar&quot;

I am getting confused on this issue. How can a Muslim man marry a non Muslim woman and love her, yet he is not allowed to &#039;love kuffar&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazakallah Khayr brother Abu Layth</p>
<p>Can you please write an article on &#8220;loving the kuffar&#8221;</p>
<p>I am getting confused on this issue. How can a Muslim man marry a non Muslim woman and love her, yet he is not allowed to &#8216;love kuffar&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Abul Layth</title>
		<link>http://www.seekingilm.com/archives/276#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Abul Layth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bismillah.

Firstly, Your question inspired me to do some research regarding marrying the kitaabiyah. Read it here: http://seekingilm.com/archives/277

Secondly, it is not permitted to marry a muhaaribah kitaabiyyah, as stated by Ibn &#039;Abbas (radhiya Allahu Anhu).

Thirdly, the verse 5:5 is a rukhsah (dispensation) to the generality of walaa&#039; and marriage etc.

Fourthly, the correct opinion is that it is makruh to marry the kitaabi, as stated by &#039;Umar and others.

That is my stance.

-Abul Layth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bismillah.</p>
<p>Firstly, Your question inspired me to do some research regarding marrying the kitaabiyah. Read it here: <a href="http://seekingilm.com/archives/277" rel="nofollow">http://seekingilm.com/archives/277</a></p>
<p>Secondly, it is not permitted to marry a muhaaribah kitaabiyyah, as stated by Ibn &#8216;Abbas (radhiya Allahu Anhu).</p>
<p>Thirdly, the verse 5:5 is a rukhsah (dispensation) to the generality of walaa&#8217; and marriage etc.</p>
<p>Fourthly, the correct opinion is that it is makruh to marry the kitaabi, as stated by &#8216;Umar and others.</p>
<p>That is my stance.</p>
<p>-Abul Layth</p>
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